Thinking a little bit about the future Galaxy S25 and S25 Plus

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Kingsley said:

Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Ben said:
Didn’t Google use the same camera sensor from the Pixel 2 to Pixel 5?

Pixel 2 to the 6a. Samsung has always been limited by their software, not hardware.

The fact that this is an oft upvoted comment in this sub worries me since it shows that most people lack any understanding of camera hardware, and Samsung knows it. That’s the reason they are using the tiniest camera sensors in the entire smartphone industry - most people can’t read camera specs nor understand the effect it has on image quality.

FYI, increasing the sensor size would have the biggest impact on achieving a faster shutterspeed (what phone photographers call ‘shutter lag’) to eliminate motion blur. Most importantly a larger sensor helps a ton with the overall detail present in the shot. Software can help partially with some of these things, but it is mostly a game limited by sensor size, not software.

Take a photo taken with the oneplus 12’s 3x camera, the S24’s 3x camera, and the iPhone 15 Pro’s 3x cam. The difference in quality is astronomical - Oneplus 12 just crushes the other two when it comes to details in the shot since it’s 3x sensor is 4 times as large as the other two.

Only when you’re pixel peeping. Take a raw photo from each phone and compare in darktable or lightroom - that will demonstrate the differences in the sensor itself.

Samsung does not in fact use the tiniest sensors in the industry (though they *do* cheap out on features like ultrawide autofocus on the vanilla model). A smaller sensor changes depth of field and light gathering, but the lens itself has an equal impact (F and T stop) - and the software to compensate for such differences in sensor size. This is why an APS-C camera does not neccesarily have worse image quality than a full frame, for example.

Shutter speed and shutter lag are two completely different things, slow shutter speed is not the same as a sensor needing to autofocus and having slow sensor readout.

In fact, smaller sensors trade capturing lots of light for having a super fast sensor readout, which also means they can get away without a global shutter and still achieve relatively low rolling shutter effect.

A larger sensor just makes it easier to get more detail. But when it comes to comparing tiny sensor to slightly less tiny sensor, it’s still a small sensor and software has to make up for a lot of the missing details.

Can you tell me of a 1-2 year old flagship phone from another brand that uses a 1/4" or smaller sensor for its zoom lenses? Also can you let me know of a flagship phone that uses a 1/1.56" or smaller sensor for its main camera? You claim Samsung is not the tiniest but from what I know, it 100% is the tiniest in the industry. Happy to admit that I’m wrong here. Please note that we are talking about flagship phones from Apple, Google, Sony, Huawei, Xiaomi, Vivo, Oneplus, Oppo.

Of course the raw image is the best guide of what the sensor captures, and the Oneplus 12 will crush the S24 and IPhone 15 Pro there too when it comes to details. No need to pixel peep, just put the photos on a computer screen instead of a phone screen. Oneplus’s software processing is not that good so the difference in final output stems from what the sensor captures in the first place, not the software.

Most phone companies have good enough algorithms to squeeze out whatever details they can from their tiny sensors. The only way to increase detail now is to either increase sensor size or use some sort of generative AI to actually generate realistic looking fake details.

S24 Ultra compared to Pixel 9 Pro XL

Main sensor: 200MP f/1.7 1/1.3" vs 50MP f/1.7 1.31"
Telephoto 1: 10MP f/2.4 1/3.52" for 3x vs Sensor cropped Main sensor for 2x
Periscope Telephoto: 50MP f/3.4 1/2.52" vs 48MP f2.8 1/2.55"
Ultrawide: 12MP f/2.2 1/2.55" vs 48MP f/1.7 1/2.55"

As you can see, the Samsung S24 Ultra actually has equal or larger sensors than the Pixel 9 pro XL, even Samsung doesn’t fulfill your claims…

What is this post about? It’s about the S25 and S25 plus having the same cameras as the S22 and S22 plus which is what people in this thread are complaining about. Nobody is bringing up and ranting about the S24 Ultra’s camera system here in this entire discussion thread. OP complains about these two models specifically, to which your comment was that the camera hardware isn’t a problem in the base and plus models. By any measure, the S24, S24+, and S24 Ultra are all considered flagship phones and deserve flagship grade hardware. It’s ok if the S24 Ultra has an extra 5x lens, but the other sensors should match.

It should’ve been obvious from reading my previous comment - I gave figures 1/4" and the 1/1.56" which are references to sensors in Samsung’s S24 and S24 plus models. These are the smallest sensors in the flagship smartphone world today. The $1000 S24+ is a large phone (as large as any other flagship phone from other companies), and yet it still has these sensors.

Even the much smaller iPhone 15/16 Pro and Pixel 9 Pro have much larger sensors than what the larger S25+ will supposedly have. Again, if you find smaller sensors in another flagship phone than what the S24+/S25+ have, please do enlighten me.

Oh sorry, you mentioned Flagship so I compared flagship to flagship. S24 compared to say, iPhone 16 then. iPhone 16 doesn’t even have a telephoto… S25 compared to iPhone 16 is still the same story.

iPhone 16 uses a 1/1.56" sensor for the main shooter - same as the S24.

iPhone 16 doesn’t have a telephoto, and its ultrawide camera is a much smaller sensor - no official specs but it has a much smaller pixel pitch. iPhone 16 to the S24 is 0.7µm to 1.4µm. Given the same resolution of 12MP, the S24 has an ultrawide sensor twice the size of the iPhone 16.

Assuming S25 uses the exact same sensors as the S24, then you’re getting equal or bigger sensors compared to the vanilla iPhone 16.

In what world is a phone with a 60 HZ DISPLAY, and a lower speced processor considered flagship? That’s some mental gymnastics. The non-pro iPhone models are not considered flagship models in any sense of the word. That would mean that every single phone that Apple makes is automatically a flagship. Next you’ll be calling Macbook Airs flagship.

Every phone company has a series thats considered flagship grade. s24’s Apple equivalent is not the iPhone 16. Its the iPhone 16 Pro.

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Asa said:

Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Ben said:
Didn’t Google use the same camera sensor from the Pixel 2 to Pixel 5?

Pixel 2 to the 6a. Samsung has always been limited by their software, not hardware.

The fact that this is an oft upvoted comment in this sub worries me since it shows that most people lack any understanding of camera hardware, and Samsung knows it. That’s the reason they are using the tiniest camera sensors in the entire smartphone industry - most people can’t read camera specs nor understand the effect it has on image quality.

FYI, increasing the sensor size would have the biggest impact on achieving a faster shutterspeed (what phone photographers call ‘shutter lag’) to eliminate motion blur. Most importantly a larger sensor helps a ton with the overall detail present in the shot. Software can help partially with some of these things, but it is mostly a game limited by sensor size, not software.

Take a photo taken with the oneplus 12’s 3x camera, the S24’s 3x camera, and the iPhone 15 Pro’s 3x cam. The difference in quality is astronomical - Oneplus 12 just crushes the other two when it comes to details in the shot since it’s 3x sensor is 4 times as large as the other two.

Only when you’re pixel peeping. Take a raw photo from each phone and compare in darktable or lightroom - that will demonstrate the differences in the sensor itself.

Samsung does not in fact use the tiniest sensors in the industry (though they *do* cheap out on features like ultrawide autofocus on the vanilla model). A smaller sensor changes depth of field and light gathering, but the lens itself has an equal impact (F and T stop) - and the software to compensate for such differences in sensor size. This is why an APS-C camera does not neccesarily have worse image quality than a full frame, for example.

Shutter speed and shutter lag are two completely different things, slow shutter speed is not the same as a sensor needing to autofocus and having slow sensor readout.

In fact, smaller sensors trade capturing lots of light for having a super fast sensor readout, which also means they can get away without a global shutter and still achieve relatively low rolling shutter effect.

A larger sensor just makes it easier to get more detail. But when it comes to comparing tiny sensor to slightly less tiny sensor, it’s still a small sensor and software has to make up for a lot of the missing details.

Can you tell me of a 1-2 year old flagship phone from another brand that uses a 1/4" or smaller sensor for its zoom lenses? Also can you let me know of a flagship phone that uses a 1/1.56" or smaller sensor for its main camera? You claim Samsung is not the tiniest but from what I know, it 100% is the tiniest in the industry. Happy to admit that I’m wrong here. Please note that we are talking about flagship phones from Apple, Google, Sony, Huawei, Xiaomi, Vivo, Oneplus, Oppo.

Of course the raw image is the best guide of what the sensor captures, and the Oneplus 12 will crush the S24 and IPhone 15 Pro there too when it comes to details. No need to pixel peep, just put the photos on a computer screen instead of a phone screen. Oneplus’s software processing is not that good so the difference in final output stems from what the sensor captures in the first place, not the software.

Most phone companies have good enough algorithms to squeeze out whatever details they can from their tiny sensors. The only way to increase detail now is to either increase sensor size or use some sort of generative AI to actually generate realistic looking fake details.

S24 Ultra compared to Pixel 9 Pro XL

Main sensor: 200MP f/1.7 1/1.3" vs 50MP f/1.7 1.31"
Telephoto 1: 10MP f/2.4 1/3.52" for 3x vs Sensor cropped Main sensor for 2x
Periscope Telephoto: 50MP f/3.4 1/2.52" vs 48MP f2.8 1/2.55"
Ultrawide: 12MP f/2.2 1/2.55" vs 48MP f/1.7 1/2.55"

As you can see, the Samsung S24 Ultra actually has equal or larger sensors than the Pixel 9 pro XL, even Samsung doesn’t fulfill your claims…

What is this post about? It’s about the S25 and S25 plus having the same cameras as the S22 and S22 plus which is what people in this thread are complaining about. Nobody is bringing up and ranting about the S24 Ultra’s camera system here in this entire discussion thread. OP complains about these two models specifically, to which your comment was that the camera hardware isn’t a problem in the base and plus models. By any measure, the S24, S24+, and S24 Ultra are all considered flagship phones and deserve flagship grade hardware. It’s ok if the S24 Ultra has an extra 5x lens, but the other sensors should match.

It should’ve been obvious from reading my previous comment - I gave figures 1/4" and the 1/1.56" which are references to sensors in Samsung’s S24 and S24 plus models. These are the smallest sensors in the flagship smartphone world today. The $1000 S24+ is a large phone (as large as any other flagship phone from other companies), and yet it still has these sensors.

Even the much smaller iPhone 15/16 Pro and Pixel 9 Pro have much larger sensors than what the larger S25+ will supposedly have. Again, if you find smaller sensors in another flagship phone than what the S24+/S25+ have, please do enlighten me.

Oh sorry, you mentioned Flagship so I compared flagship to flagship. S24 compared to say, iPhone 16 then. iPhone 16 doesn’t even have a telephoto… S25 compared to iPhone 16 is still the same story.

iPhone 16 uses a 1/1.56" sensor for the main shooter - same as the S24.

iPhone 16 doesn’t have a telephoto, and its ultrawide camera is a much smaller sensor - no official specs but it has a much smaller pixel pitch. iPhone 16 to the S24 is 0.7µm to 1.4µm. Given the same resolution of 12MP, the S24 has an ultrawide sensor twice the size of the iPhone 16.

Assuming S25 uses the exact same sensors as the S24, then you’re getting equal or bigger sensors compared to the vanilla iPhone 16.

In what world is a phone with a 60 HZ DISPLAY, and a lower speced processor considered flagship? That’s some mental gymnastics. The non-pro iPhone models are not considered flagship models in any sense of the word. That would mean that every single phone that Apple makes is automatically a flagship. Next you’ll be calling Macbook Airs flagship.

Every phone company has a series thats considered flagship grade. s24’s Apple equivalent is not the iPhone 16. Its the iPhone 16 Pro.

If S24 is a flagship, then what’s the S24 plus or S24 Ultra? And if S24 Ultra is the flagship, what’s the S24? The price for price comparison would be S24 to iPhone 16, or S24 Ultra to iPhone 16 pro/pro max. I’m confused what you’re so upset by?

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Kingsley said:

Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Asa said:
Kingsley said:
Ben said:
Didn’t Google use the same camera sensor from the Pixel 2 to Pixel 5?

Pixel 2 to the 6a. Samsung has always been limited by their software, not hardware.

The fact that this is an oft upvoted comment in this sub worries me since it shows that most people lack any understanding of camera hardware, and Samsung knows it. That’s the reason they are using the tiniest camera sensors in the entire smartphone industry - most people can’t read camera specs nor understand the effect it has on image quality.

FYI, increasing the sensor size would have the biggest impact on achieving a faster shutterspeed (what phone photographers call ‘shutter lag’) to eliminate motion blur. Most importantly a larger sensor helps a ton with the overall detail present in the shot. Software can help partially with some of these things, but it is mostly a game limited by sensor size, not software.

Take a photo taken with the oneplus 12’s 3x camera, the S24’s 3x camera, and the iPhone 15 Pro’s 3x cam. The difference in quality is astronomical - Oneplus 12 just crushes the other two when it comes to details in the shot since it’s 3x sensor is 4 times as large as the other two.

Only when you’re pixel peeping. Take a raw photo from each phone and compare in darktable or lightroom - that will demonstrate the differences in the sensor itself.

Samsung does not in fact use the tiniest sensors in the industry (though they *do* cheap out on features like ultrawide autofocus on the vanilla model). A smaller sensor changes depth of field and light gathering, but the lens itself has an equal impact (F and T stop) - and the software to compensate for such differences in sensor size. This is why an APS-C camera does not neccesarily have worse image quality than a full frame, for example.

Shutter speed and shutter lag are two completely different things, slow shutter speed is not the same as a sensor needing to autofocus and having slow sensor readout.

In fact, smaller sensors trade capturing lots of light for having a super fast sensor readout, which also means they can get away without a global shutter and still achieve relatively low rolling shutter effect.

A larger sensor just makes it easier to get more detail. But when it comes to comparing tiny sensor to slightly less tiny sensor, it’s still a small sensor and software has to make up for a lot of the missing details.

Can you tell me of a 1-2 year old flagship phone from another brand that uses a 1/4" or smaller sensor for its zoom lenses? Also can you let me know of a flagship phone that uses a 1/1.56" or smaller sensor for its main camera? You claim Samsung is not the tiniest but from what I know, it 100% is the tiniest in the industry. Happy to admit that I’m wrong here. Please note that we are talking about flagship phones from Apple, Google, Sony, Huawei, Xiaomi, Vivo, Oneplus, Oppo.

Of course the raw image is the best guide of what the sensor captures, and the Oneplus 12 will crush the S24 and IPhone 15 Pro there too when it comes to details. No need to pixel peep, just put the photos on a computer screen instead of a phone screen. Oneplus’s software processing is not that good so the difference in final output stems from what the sensor captures in the first place, not the software.

Most phone companies have good enough algorithms to squeeze out whatever details they can from their tiny sensors. The only way to increase detail now is to either increase sensor size or use some sort of generative AI to actually generate realistic looking fake details.

S24 Ultra compared to Pixel 9 Pro XL

Main sensor: 200MP f/1.7 1/1.3" vs 50MP f/1.7 1.31"
Telephoto 1: 10MP f/2.4 1/3.52" for 3x vs Sensor cropped Main sensor for 2x
Periscope Telephoto: 50MP f/3.4 1/2.52" vs 48MP f2.8 1/2.55"
Ultrawide: 12MP f/2.2 1/2.55" vs 48MP f/1.7 1/2.55"

As you can see, the Samsung S24 Ultra actually has equal or larger sensors than the Pixel 9 pro XL, even Samsung doesn’t fulfill your claims…

What is this post about? It’s about the S25 and S25 plus having the same cameras as the S22 and S22 plus which is what people in this thread are complaining about. Nobody is bringing up and ranting about the S24 Ultra’s camera system here in this entire discussion thread. OP complains about these two models specifically, to which your comment was that the camera hardware isn’t a problem in the base and plus models. By any measure, the S24, S24+, and S24 Ultra are all considered flagship phones and deserve flagship grade hardware. It’s ok if the S24 Ultra has an extra 5x lens, but the other sensors should match.

It should’ve been obvious from reading my previous comment - I gave figures 1/4" and the 1/1.56" which are references to sensors in Samsung’s S24 and S24 plus models. These are the smallest sensors in the flagship smartphone world today. The $1000 S24+ is a large phone (as large as any other flagship phone from other companies), and yet it still has these sensors.

Even the much smaller iPhone 15/16 Pro and Pixel 9 Pro have much larger sensors than what the larger S25+ will supposedly have. Again, if you find smaller sensors in another flagship phone than what the S24+/S25+ have, please do enlighten me.

Oh sorry, you mentioned Flagship so I compared flagship to flagship. S24 compared to say, iPhone 16 then. iPhone 16 doesn’t even have a telephoto… S25 compared to iPhone 16 is still the same story.

iPhone 16 uses a 1/1.56" sensor for the main shooter - same as the S24.

iPhone 16 doesn’t have a telephoto, and its ultrawide camera is a much smaller sensor - no official specs but it has a much smaller pixel pitch. iPhone 16 to the S24 is 0.7µm to 1.4µm. Given the same resolution of 12MP, the S24 has an ultrawide sensor twice the size of the iPhone 16.

Assuming S25 uses the exact same sensors as the S24, then you’re getting equal or bigger sensors compared to the vanilla iPhone 16.

In what world is a phone with a 60 HZ DISPLAY, and a lower speced processor considered flagship? That’s some mental gymnastics. The non-pro iPhone models are not considered flagship models in any sense of the word. That would mean that every single phone that Apple makes is automatically a flagship. Next you’ll be calling Macbook Airs flagship.

Every phone company has a series thats considered flagship grade. s24’s Apple equivalent is not the iPhone 16. Its the iPhone 16 Pro.

If S24 is a flagship, then what’s the S24 plus or S24 Ultra? And if S24 Ultra is the flagship, what’s the S24? The price for price comparison would be S24 to iPhone 16, or S24 Ultra to iPhone 16 pro/pro max. I’m confused what you’re so upset by?

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I had the same issue when upgrading from s10 this year. Neither Samsung nor Google had any exciting camera oriented phones. Ended up going with Xiaomi 14 ultra and couldn’t be happier. It’s a great phone for those who can appreciate under-processed images.

I believe the Xiaomi 15 ultra next year will make the significant jump to 1/1.5 telephoto sensors, so it might be worth waiting.

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Yan said:
I had the same issue when upgrading from s10 this year. Neither Samsung nor Google had any exciting camera oriented phones. Ended up going with Xiaomi 14 ultra and couldn’t be happier. It’s a great phone for those who can appreciate under-processed images.

I believe the Xiaomi 15 ultra next year will make the significant jump to 1/1.5 telephoto sensors, so it might be worth waiting.

How are you finding the switch from Samsung to Xiaomi? I mean software wise.

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Thorne said:

Yan said:
I had the same issue when upgrading from s10 this year. Neither Samsung nor Google had any exciting camera oriented phones. Ended up going with Xiaomi 14 ultra and couldn’t be happier. It’s a great phone for those who can appreciate under-processed images.

I believe the Xiaomi 15 ultra next year will make the significant jump to 1/1.5 telephoto sensors, so it might be worth waiting.

How are you finding the switch from Samsung to Xiaomi? I mean software wise.

Things you take for granted are missing. For example, you can’t set the alarm to just vibrate. Can’t close only certain apps and not all. Samsung keyboard does little things well that you don’t realise.

The software is good, but maybe a bit too simple.

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Yan said:
I had the same issue when upgrading from s10 this year. Neither Samsung nor Google had any exciting camera oriented phones. Ended up going with Xiaomi 14 ultra and couldn’t be happier. It’s a great phone for those who can appreciate under-processed images.

I believe the Xiaomi 15 ultra next year will make the significant jump to 1/1.5 telephoto sensors, so it might be worth waiting.

Honestly Google and Samsung better start worrying because the Chinese are starting to produce great phones that heavily undercut them

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Valentine said:

Yan said:
I had the same issue when upgrading from s10 this year. Neither Samsung nor Google had any exciting camera oriented phones. Ended up going with Xiaomi 14 ultra and couldn’t be happier. It’s a great phone for those who can appreciate under-processed images.

I believe the Xiaomi 15 ultra next year will make the significant jump to 1/1.5 telephoto sensors, so it might be worth waiting.

Honestly Google and Samsung better start worrying because the Chinese are starting to produce great phones that heavily undercut them

Not unless the US stops trying to ban Chinese brands over the same ol usual bullshit excuses.

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I want to see camera updates and also QI2 wireless charging, if they wanna leave it off of the ultra because of the pen than thats fine but no need to keep it away form the rest of us.

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Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

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Mai said:

Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

> Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman.

I don’t want to be that guy, but when I see picture from the full frame sensor vs any phone, the phone ones look like shit. Especially skin tones, pores, hair, it’s so much more detailed and life-like from the full frames.

Saying 50mm2 sensor can’t be improved, when I see 10 times better photos with my own eyes. A phone obviously can’t fit a full frame (yet), but there is a big spectrum to improve from 50mm2 of S24 and 900mm2 of full frame camera.

Example pic: Hasselblad Portraits | Here's a Hasselblad X1D photo of @Car… | Flickr

You can even see an STD if you zoom enough :slight_smile:

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Mai said:

Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

Bro, I agree that the sensor is not everything, the processing is also important and that part is something that improves year after year with the arrival of new processors and improvements in the software; that makes it possible for us to capture better photos despite keeping the same sensor. The problem is that all the competition in that same range and the same price range have already updated all the sensors of their phones and Samsung has not done so, it is behind in that. And with respect to the megapixels you are right, but the improvements of the new sensors are not only given by having more megapixels but better pixels; in fact many times the new sensors do not increase the number of megapixels but rather improve the pixels, for example, making them larger (the pixels), which makes them capable of capturing more light and taking better photos at night. The current sensor of the S22, S23 and S24 is behind all the high-end or high-mid-range sensors that phones in that price range mount today.

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Hollis said:

Mai said:
Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

Bro, I agree that the sensor is not everything, the processing is also important and that part is something that improves year after year with the arrival of new processors and improvements in the software; that makes it possible for us to capture better photos despite keeping the same sensor. The problem is that all the competition in that same range and the same price range have already updated all the sensors of their phones and Samsung has not done so, it is behind in that. And with respect to the megapixels you are right, but the improvements of the new sensors are not only given by having more megapixels but better pixels; in fact many times the new sensors do not increase the number of megapixels but rather improve the pixels, for example, making them larger (the pixels), which makes them capable of capturing more light and taking better photos at night. The current sensor of the S22, S23 and S24 is behind all the high-end or high-mid-range sensors that phones in that price range mount today.

What website are you using to figure out what camera sensor is used in each phone?

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Mai said:

Hollis said:
Mai said:
Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

Bro, I agree that the sensor is not everything, the processing is also important and that part is something that improves year after year with the arrival of new processors and improvements in the software; that makes it possible for us to capture better photos despite keeping the same sensor. The problem is that all the competition in that same range and the same price range have already updated all the sensors of their phones and Samsung has not done so, it is behind in that. And with respect to the megapixels you are right, but the improvements of the new sensors are not only given by having more megapixels but better pixels; in fact many times the new sensors do not increase the number of megapixels but rather improve the pixels, for example, making them larger (the pixels), which makes them capable of capturing more light and taking better photos at night. The current sensor of the S22, S23 and S24 is behind all the high-end or high-mid-range sensors that phones in that price range mount today.

What website are you using to figure out what camera sensor is used in each phone?

There are several websites that give you that information like kimovil or gsmarena, but there are apps like antutu and other apps with more information about the phones’ hardware that tell you all that.

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Mai said:

Hollis said:
I explain: I am a dual user of a Galaxy S22 Plus. I live in the USA and therefore here the Galaxy of the series “S” are all released with the Snapdragon of the series 8 of the year; that means that the Galaxy S25 here will come with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 with its new Oryon cores

The Galaxy S25 strikes me to buy them as they will use those new Snapdragon with totally new architecture, but it is not the only change I expect. since the S22, the 3 sensors of the camera have not changed at all and all the improvements have come via processing and software, but there are already 3 generations with the same camera sensors and it would be ridiculous from my point of view that they did not update them for the new S25 and S25 Plus. If they don’t, they’re going to be too far away and outdated compared to the competition. For example, Google with the Pixel 9 updated all its camera sensors and now all the sensors in the Pixels are 50 Megapixels; for example, the main sensor of the camera went from being a Samsung GN2 sensor to the new Samsung GNK. I think if the S25 and S25 Plus do not update at least the main sensor of the camera, I will not buy it.

Let’s be real, even if they get new cameras the changes will be imperceptible. The current cameras are very good. 50mp is far more than anyone uses. In fact the camera defaults to 12mp. Colors are great, contrast is great, low light performance is superhuman. Most performance increases have been software based for some time now.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it better but this issue shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

Read up on what is camera sensor size. You are spouting megapixel numbers when you should be instead reading what the sensor size is. It’s appallingly small on Samsung phones compared to every other phone brand. This is the paramater that affects everything related to image quality, not the megapixel count.